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		<title>By: Scribbler UK</title>
		<link>http://www.zota.org/2008/02/07/donkey-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribbler UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! came across this article having watched King of Kong last night and really enjoyed it. I don&#039;t want to sound naive but is it not possible that Steve Weibe, Billy Mitchell, Walter Day etc were all fully aware of the documentary and basically &#039;in on it&#039; .
The film was in my mind made to promote awareness of Classic gaming and competitive gaming, and also Twin Galaxies, the film has to be watchable by as many and as varied people as possible, and so requires a dramatic story (beginning, middle &amp; end) rather than being a a collection of &#039;geeks&#039; rambling about chi sets and klll screens!
I have to say Robert T Mruczek comes across as pretty much the most likable and genuinely passionate of the &#039;gamers&#039; in the film, i just dont understand how this has ended up with him retiring from a job he was clearly both proud and capable of doing???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! came across this article having watched King of Kong last night and really enjoyed it. I don&#8217;t want to sound naive but is it not possible that Steve Weibe, Billy Mitchell, Walter Day etc were all fully aware of the documentary and basically &#8216;in on it&#8217; .<br />
The film was in my mind made to promote awareness of Classic gaming and competitive gaming, and also Twin Galaxies, the film has to be watchable by as many and as varied people as possible, and so requires a dramatic story (beginning, middle &amp; end) rather than being a a collection of &#8216;geeks&#8217; rambling about chi sets and klll screens!<br />
I have to say Robert T Mruczek comes across as pretty much the most likable and genuinely passionate of the &#8216;gamers&#8217; in the film, i just dont understand how this has ended up with him retiring from a job he was clearly both proud and capable of doing???</p>
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		<title>By: Culch.ie &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kings of Kong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Culch.ie &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kings of Kong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Sep 2009 11:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://www.zota.org/2008/02/07/donkey-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-376</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 22:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s an awful lot of liars, dwayne.  I look forward to your documentation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s an awful lot of liars, dwayne.  I look forward to your documentation.</p>
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		<title>By: dwayne richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>dwayne richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 07:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I f feel confident about calling Steve weibe, his family, his friends and the crew of this film LIARS.  But I also want to call Walter Day the biggest LIAR of them all.  There was alot of collusion between Walter and the film producers to make things out worse then they should of been. Walter consulted his tM think tank and they recommended he supports this film.  He orchestrated alot of manipulation to get the playrs to comply. But there is a much bigger lie that both him and bill mitchell foisted on us all that is going to make roy look like a boy scout and steve a saint.  stay tuned for my doc, &quot;the perfect fraudman, the donkey con and other arcade legends.

dwayne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I f feel confident about calling Steve weibe, his family, his friends and the crew of this film LIARS.  But I also want to call Walter Day the biggest LIAR of them all.  There was alot of collusion between Walter and the film producers to make things out worse then they should of been. Walter consulted his tM think tank and they recommended he supports this film.  He orchestrated alot of manipulation to get the playrs to comply. But there is a much bigger lie that both him and bill mitchell foisted on us all that is going to make roy look like a boy scout and steve a saint.  stay tuned for my doc, &#8220;the perfect fraudman, the donkey con and other arcade legends.</p>
<p>dwayne</p>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://www.zota.org/2008/02/07/donkey-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-265</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 23:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of like saying if your speedometer is broken, then you can&#039;t really be speeding...

Look, I can see where this is going. You seem deeply certain about all of this, Will, and  I&#039;m not anywhere near as certain about it as you are.  So either you know a lot more than everyone else involved, or you&#039;re just totally certain without actually knowing why.

If you feel confident about calling Steve Weibe, his family, his friends, and the crew of this film all liars, then you go right ahead. If your world is that black-and-white, I&#039;m not going to be able to make you see shades of gray.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of like saying if your speedometer is broken, then you can&#8217;t really be speeding&#8230;</p>
<p>Look, I can see where this is going. You seem deeply certain about all of this, Will, and  I&#8217;m not anywhere near as certain about it as you are.  So either you know a lot more than everyone else involved, or you&#8217;re just totally certain without actually knowing why.</p>
<p>If you feel confident about calling Steve Weibe, his family, his friends, and the crew of this film all liars, then you go right ahead. If your world is that black-and-white, I&#8217;m not going to be able to make you see shades of gray.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Schenk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Schenk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:42:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find what you reference.  Gregory Erway says that they did not open any new tracks at this time, meaning that they didn&#039;t create the DDR category until later in 2006.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;
But youâ€™ll also remember that all of this fell
during a time when the website did not allow additions of new tracks. This was during the initial time that Brien was â€œunavailableâ€. You were falling desperatly behind in score entries and donâ€™t believe you had the capacity to open the new category at that time. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

If Robert was &quot;falling desperately behind&quot; in making the updates then clearly they were maintaining the database at this time.  Just not fast enough.  What they weren&#039;t able to do was to create the new DDR category.  This could be the reason why Steve had the record for the full three years; namely that they meant to change it and for technical reasons were delayed or sidetracked.  (Greg certainly implies that he thinks it should have been reclassified before.)

As Robert says above, Walter Day

&lt;blockquote&gt;
WD - â€œAnd, in November, 2004, it was publicly stated that Steveâ€™s score would be re-categorized due to the presumption that he played on a â€œDouble-Donkey-Kongâ€ board. However, Twin Galaxies continued to evaluate that decision, but that decision was never put into effect.â€

These are Walterâ€™s own words which seem to support my own recollection about the re-classification of the scoresâ€¦that they were announced but never enacted.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So yeah.  Score in the official database.  Change never enacted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find what you reference.  Gregory Erway says that they did not open any new tracks at this time, meaning that they didn&#8217;t create the DDR category until later in 2006.  </p>
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But youâ€™ll also remember that all of this fell<br />
during a time when the website did not allow additions of new tracks. This was during the initial time that Brien was â€œunavailableâ€. You were falling desperatly behind in score entries and donâ€™t believe you had the capacity to open the new category at that time. </p></blockquote>
<p>If Robert was &#8220;falling desperately behind&#8221; in making the updates then clearly they were maintaining the database at this time.  Just not fast enough.  What they weren&#8217;t able to do was to create the new DDR category.  This could be the reason why Steve had the record for the full three years; namely that they meant to change it and for technical reasons were delayed or sidetracked.  (Greg certainly implies that he thinks it should have been reclassified before.)</p>
<p>As Robert says above, Walter Day</p>
<blockquote><p>
WD &#8211; â€œAnd, in November, 2004, it was publicly stated that Steveâ€™s score would be re-categorized due to the presumption that he played on a â€œDouble-Donkey-Kongâ€ board. However, Twin Galaxies continued to evaluate that decision, but that decision was never put into effect.â€</p>
<p>These are Walterâ€™s own words which seem to support my own recollection about the re-classification of the scoresâ€¦that they were announced but never enacted.
</p></blockquote>
<p>So yeah.  Score in the official database.  Change never enacted.</p>
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		<title>By: zota</title>
		<link>http://www.zota.org/2008/02/07/donkey-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-263</link>
		<dc:creator>zota</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, as Gregory Erway states above, the database wasn&#039;t being updated regularly at the time.  Robert &lt;del datetime=&quot;2008-03-05T21:38:06+00:00&quot;&gt;Day&lt;/del&gt; Mruczek publicly announced the &quot;Double Donkey Kong&quot; category in the Fall of 2003.  Steve Weibe was notified of this by phone, email, and public forum postings.  Walter Day repeated this to Weibe on the Twin Galaxies forums in 2004.  

Twin Galaxies has made it very clear that they believe Weibe made his 2003 score on a non-standard board.  They made it equally  clear that Weibe was not the Donkey Kong record holder based on that score.  Claiming that he actually did have the score just because their database guy wasn&#039;t making updates is disingenuous to say the least...  

I remain confident in my reading comprehension. The links are above.  You can read them. You can continue to ignore them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, as Gregory Erway states above, the database wasn&#8217;t being updated regularly at the time.  Robert <del datetime="2008-03-05T21:38:06+00:00">Day</del> Mruczek publicly announced the &#8220;Double Donkey Kong&#8221; category in the Fall of 2003.  Steve Weibe was notified of this by phone, email, and public forum postings.  Walter Day repeated this to Weibe on the Twin Galaxies forums in 2004.  </p>
<p>Twin Galaxies has made it very clear that they believe Weibe made his 2003 score on a non-standard board.  They made it equally  clear that Weibe was not the Donkey Kong record holder based on that score.  Claiming that he actually did have the score just because their database guy wasn&#8217;t making updates is disingenuous to say the least&#8230;  </p>
<p>I remain confident in my reading comprehension. The links are above.  You can read them. You can continue to ignore them.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know that we&#039;ve beaten this over the head on my blog, but I&#039;m curious why in the face of what Robert T Mruczek said above that you think the statement &quot;Steve Weibe held the Donkey Kong record for three years&quot; is false.

A couple comments above you asked if your statement that 

&lt;blockquote&gt;In spite of the press immediately following the announcement of his score, Steve Weibe did not officially hold the Donkey Kong world record based on his score from July 2003. Rather, he held the only officially recorded score in a newly created Double Donkey Kong category.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To which Robert T Mruczek  

&lt;blockquote&gt;As Greg Erway states, and as Walter himself did, the initial idea was to split the category but it actually was not formally done on the database until much later. So as far as the database went, Steveâ€™s 947K was the top score from the initial 2003 submission until May/Jun 2005 when Steve hit 985K live. Afterwards, the 1.006M was reclassified to the DDK category at some point in I believe 2006.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

My reading of that is that since Steve Weibe had the Donkey Kong record of 947K from 2003 until he had the Dong Kong Record of 985K from May/Jun 2005 until he had the DOUBLE Donkey Kong in 2006, that he had the Donkey Kong record from 2003 through 2006.  At which point the ruling was made that he had instead the DDK record.

I don&#039;t mean to be combative but this is why I said you have poor reading comprehension.  Do you mean that there&#039;s another sense of holding the record other than being in the official database?  I really am just curious at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know that we&#8217;ve beaten this over the head on my blog, but I&#8217;m curious why in the face of what Robert T Mruczek said above that you think the statement &#8220;Steve Weibe held the Donkey Kong record for three years&#8221; is false.</p>
<p>A couple comments above you asked if your statement that </p>
<blockquote><p>In spite of the press immediately following the announcement of his score, Steve Weibe did not officially hold the Donkey Kong world record based on his score from July 2003. Rather, he held the only officially recorded score in a newly created Double Donkey Kong category.</p></blockquote>
<p>To which Robert T Mruczek  </p>
<blockquote><p>As Greg Erway states, and as Walter himself did, the initial idea was to split the category but it actually was not formally done on the database until much later. So as far as the database went, Steveâ€™s 947K was the top score from the initial 2003 submission until May/Jun 2005 when Steve hit 985K live. Afterwards, the 1.006M was reclassified to the DDK category at some point in I believe 2006.</p></blockquote>
<p>My reading of that is that since Steve Weibe had the Donkey Kong record of 947K from 2003 until he had the Dong Kong Record of 985K from May/Jun 2005 until he had the DOUBLE Donkey Kong in 2006, that he had the Donkey Kong record from 2003 through 2006.  At which point the ruling was made that he had instead the DDK record.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to be combative but this is why I said you have poor reading comprehension.  Do you mean that there&#8217;s another sense of holding the record other than being in the official database?  I really am just curious at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: sublimeguile &#8211; King of Wrong redux</title>
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		<dc:creator>sublimeguile &#8211; King of Wrong redux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rumblepak.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dodging Barrels: Trying to figure out the Donkey Kong Conundrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rumblepak.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dodging Barrels: Trying to figure out the Donkey Kong Conundrum</dc:creator>
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