Look, I can see where this is going. You seem deeply certain about all of this, Will, and I’m not anywhere near as certain about it as you are. So either you know a lot more than everyone else involved, or you’re just totally certain without actually knowing why.

If you feel confident about calling Steve Weibe, his family, his friends, and the crew of this film all liars, then you go right ahead. If your world is that black-and-white, I’m not going to be able to make you see shades of gray.

But you’ll also remember that all of this fell
during a time when the website did not allow additions of new tracks. This was during the initial time that Brien was “unavailable”. You were falling desperatly behind in score entries and don’t believe you had the capacity to open the new category at that time.

If Robert was “falling desperately behind” in making the updates then clearly they were maintaining the database at this time. Just not fast enough. What they weren’t able to do was to create the new DDR category. This could be the reason why Steve had the record for the full three years; namely that they meant to change it and for technical reasons were delayed or sidetracked. (Greg certainly implies that he thinks it should have been reclassified before.)

As Robert says above, Walter Day

WD - “And, in November, 2004, it was publicly stated that Steve’s score would be re-categorized due to the presumption that he played on a “Double-Donkey-Kong” board. However, Twin Galaxies continued to evaluate that decision, but that decision was never put into effect.”

These are Walter’s own words which seem to support my own recollection about the re-classification of the scores…that they were announced but never enacted.

So yeah. Score in the official database. Change never enacted.

Twin Galaxies has made it very clear that they believe Weibe made his 2003 score on a non-standard board. They made it equally clear that Weibe was not the Donkey Kong record holder based on that score. Claiming that he actually did have the score just because their database guy wasn’t making updates is disingenuous to say the least…

I remain confident in my reading comprehension. The links are above. You can read them. You can continue to ignore them.

A couple comments above you asked if your statement that

In spite of the press immediately following the announcement of his score, Steve Weibe did not officially hold the Donkey Kong world record based on his score from July 2003. Rather, he held the only officially recorded score in a newly created Double Donkey Kong category.

To which Robert T Mruczek

As Greg Erway states, and as Walter himself did, the initial idea was to split the category but it actually was not formally done on the database until much later. So as far as the database went, Steve’s 947K was the top score from the initial 2003 submission until May/Jun 2005 when Steve hit 985K live. Afterwards, the 1.006M was reclassified to the DDK category at some point in I believe 2006.

My reading of that is that since Steve Weibe had the Donkey Kong record of 947K from 2003 until he had the Dong Kong Record of 985K from May/Jun 2005 until he had the DOUBLE Donkey Kong in 2006, that he had the Donkey Kong record from 2003 through 2006. At which point the ruling was made that he had instead the DDK record.

I don’t mean to be combative but this is why I said you have poor reading comprehension. Do you mean that there’s another sense of holding the record other than being in the official database? I really am just curious at this point.

I could have sworn that I posted successfully again on this thread the other evening…looks like maybe not, so I will re-state as best as I can.

As Greg Erway states, and as Walter himself did, the initial idea was to split the category but it actually was not formally done on the database until much later. So as far as the database went, Steve’s 947K was the top score from the initial 2003 submission until May/Jun 2005 when Steve hit 985K live. Afterwards, the 1.006M was reclassified to the DDK category at some point in I believe 2006.

And yes, he is the only DDK champion as no other DDK score shall be accepted according to Walter. If and when Steve passes 1.006M on the original, Walter was planning to update the 985K live score and simultaneously eliminate the DDK category.

Let’s hope this reply stays…I hope so as I may have replied last time and was too tired to complete the submission correctly !!

Robert

Let me make sure I understand correctly:

In spite of the press immediately following the announcement of his score, Steve Weibe did not officially hold the Donkey Kong world record based on his score from July 2003. Rather, he held the only officially recorded score in a newly created Double Donkey Kong category.

This fact was publicly announced in 2003 and 2004, and Weibe was notified of this via email, phone, and public posts in discussion forums. Weibe’s continued listing as the Donkey Kong world record holder after this decision was announced was an oversight, which Twin Galaxies corrected in 2006.

Is that accurate?

Once posted I re-read what I wrote and realized I made an error trying to convey what I was thinking.

I believe playing DK Jr. on a DDK board is more likely to play just like a normal DK Jr. boardset than playing DK on a DDK board. This is because DDK is made out of a DK Jr. boardset to start with. An example of differences is that the sounds are mapped differently. The sound alone does not cause any gameplay differences in behaviour. However it was believe at the time that the timing of the level timer was slightly longer than on a regular DK board and that created potential for extra points. Steve brought much attention to TG with his score being reported on CNN before it was realized he used a DDK board. In fairness to Steve it was decided to not just throw out his score but simply move it to a new DDK category until such time as he was able to beat the score (and then the DDK category could be removed). I felt this was fair and supported the idea.

I just culled the following excerpt from Walter Day’s own post at the following thread below…

http://www.twingalaxies.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10930&sid=3d811bbefbb66de743ce1fb7c1ab322a

WD - “And, in November, 2004, it was publicly stated that Steve’s score would be re-categorized due to the presumption that he played on a “Double-Donkey-Kong” board. However, Twin Galaxies continued to evaluate that decision, but that decision was never put into effect.”

These are Walter’s own words which seem to support my own recollection about the re-classification of the scores…that they were announced but never enacted.

I admit that my own recollection spans five years of interraction on the issue but was sure that I remembered never having done the actual reclass until much later. This would certainly seem to support that recollection.

Robert